This week, Jonathan Freedland speaks to the former labor secretary under Bill Clinton, Prof Robert Reich. They discuss whether Republicans can emerge from Trump’s shadow or whether those loyal to Trumpism will soldier on

What does the future hold for the Republican party? Is that small anti-Trump minority going to get larger once Trump has finally gone, or does his hold remain tight? Are we going to see a Trump campaign for 2024 dominate the next four years, or can Republicans get out from under his shadow?

Robert Reich was labor secretary in the 1990s under Bill Clinton, and over the last four years he’s been one of the clearest and most effective voices in the opposition to Trump and Trumpism. He is also a professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley.

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